Jeremy Renner: But What of the Trees Seeing the Forest, Too (Flaunt)

By John-Paul Pryor

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How many times have you come across the phrase the gift of life? Sure, the briefest of scans across the minute-to-minute content avalanche of the soon-to-be meta-verse presents an endless stream of sentimental tropes espousing the notion, devaluing it one trite haiku at-a-time. Nonetheless, it strikes me that life is indeed the ultimate ‘surprise’ gift—after all, no one consciously chooses to be flung into being from nothingness, and were you actually able to process one iota of the phenomenology in any single moment you’ve been ‘gifted’ since birth, your head would likely explode piñata-style. It’s the opportunity to explore this born-never-asked paradigm we all have a stake in that crackles my synapses when Flaunt hits me up to ask if I would like to interview Jeremy Renner for The Gift Issue.

I figure that an actor with a penchant for playing masculine guys with inner lives immersed in a vortex of moral and existential paradox might just have an interesting take on the mind-blowing gift of existence—something beyond a reductive positivity slogan, at least.

To put that another way, inner conflict and existential paradox is my thing, and it’s also something Renner loves to take a deep-dive into. The 50-year-old actor from Modesto, California has built a formidable career playing the troubled everyman in extraordinary situations—from portraying a PTSD-scarred bomb disposal expert (in his major breakthrough role The Hurt Locker by Kathryn Bigelow), to nestling a profound darkness within the reluctant Avenger and sometimes assassin Hawkeye (whom he plays in the quantum-time-loop-skipping Marvel Universe). Let’s be clear, this is a guy who almost managed to humanize the inhuman real-life cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer in one of his earliest forays into cinema almost two decades ago, and has since quietly carved an enviable reputation as an enigmatic character actor, who also knows how to handle himself when it comes to hi-octane action. In fact, to watch Renner ply his trade is very often to wonder: is this guy a bad person trying to be good, or a good person trying to be bad? “I don’t think there is light without the dark,” says Renner, thoughtfully, when we connect across the Atlantic on Zoom. “A truth doesn’t exist without a lie, you know? My job is always to look at other people’s perspectives, and in general, I always try to remain very, very hopeful about even the bleakest situation. It’s coming through darkness or hardships or failures in life, where successes become real success.”

If you should need any proof of our cover star’s success in finding humanity in pitch black situations, you don’t need to look any further than his current grit-and-grime crime show Mayor of Kingstown, in which he plays a man dedicated to keeping a delicate balance of order in a community teetering upon the edge of chaos. His character’s gift to this somewhat broken community is peace, but the question is: at what personal cost comes his generosity of spirit? Suffice to say, it’s got a body count. “It’s easy to talk about how the show is bleak and hopeless, but it’s actually not that in my mind,” he tells me when I offer that I find it to be a fairly desolate evocation of the human condition. “When you put a lens on something, you get a very specific microcosm of humanity, and this is a town that’s kind of a prison itself, because it’s a prison town. There’s really not a lot of hope for the mayor, sure—you’re kind of spinning your wheels if you’re that guy—but at least there is peace. You kind of have to shift your perspective, and say, okay, in this town, the best thing that can ever happen is just some sort of peace, and not anarchy or chaos. In that respect, it’s hopeful, and even though it looks bleak, there is a real humanity to it.”

The notion that humanity lies in moral relativism is at the core of many of Renner’s performances, and his performance as Mike McLusky in The Mayor of Kingstown is characteristically convincing, infusing a shadowy emotional spectrum with coruscating authenticity. It begs the question: what does he draw upon in his own life experience when exploring conflicted emotional states on-screen? “I have my own obstacles and difficulties of loss in my own life, but I don’t really draw upon that when I’m working,” he explains, “I think those things taught me how to manage and deal with losses, death, or failures, and that obviously goes into characters, but I don’t ever think about anything bad that happened in my life when I am acting—it’s more about a sort of inward emotional processing and mental toughness. Some characters are kind of more of a coiled spring, and I really like that—when you’re not quite sure if this guy could be dangerous.”

 

There’s definitely a coiled spring element to McLusky, who exists in a world that is not without extreme violence. The show explores the lengths a good man must go to in order to maintain order in the dog-eat-dog world of a corrupt society in decline, and it almost feels like a metaphor for a sharpened dark edge of America. It occurs to me to ask Renner why he thinks contemporary filmmaking has such a fascination with violence and the underbelly of society. “I think in the history of humanity,” he considers, “it probably goes back to The Colosseum in Rome, you know? I guess the entertainment value of violence might be like a psychological purge, because you can involve feelings that are kind of compressed, and that if you were to act on them, would create some real problems in your life. I don’t know if everyone has murder in them, but fight or flight is definitely there.” He pauses and continues, “Maybe there is an attraction to a fantasy of violence because while it’s not part of our daily lives, it also contains a truth and reality—these things do happen.” Does he have hope that we might one day overcome the more brutish and violent instincts apparent in the human animal? “I do tend to think human beings are ultimately built to be thoughtful, but what environment are they in? I don’t think a capitalist society, driven by money rather than thoughtfulness, consideration, and kindness, means humans are in an environment that allows them to be the best that they can be. When I look at that wide lens, I don’t feel so hopeful, man. It usually takes an absolute atrocity or avalanche, or something, for people to unite together and help each other.”

I wonder whether he feels the last few years in American politics have brought people together or not, and if he has much hope for the future of politics in America in the post-Trump era. “I’m not a political guy at all,” he shares, “but you can focus on the whole country being divided or in turmoil, or focus on the uniting part of all of that. I focus on there being a silver lining. It might actually be division that gets a kid of 18 to get out there and vote because they realize the situation is actually just so ridiculous that they have to make a change.”

I suggest that a good litmus test of this assertion would be the collective trauma COVID-19 has dragged global society through in the last two years, and I ask Renner whether he believes it has been a brutal teaching of sorts. “Not to excuse all the death and all the chaos that it’s created, but if there is a silver lining in it, I think it’s in the fact people got to stop going to the job that they don’t like—that they do so they can afford the rent—and actually spent time with their kids or family. It was a moment to figure out who has real value in your life, and there’s something beautiful about that. Having to take a pause in life doesn’t pay the rent, or put gas in the car, but it feeds your soul and your spirit with the fuel that you need to live and love.”

Renner is very much a family man, and it becomes obvious as he goes on that he found the opportunity to step out of the rat race and spend time with his eight-year-old daughter magical. “I would say that since becoming a father eight years ago,” he says, “my perspective on life has changed in a strong principled way, where that has become the most important thing for me. I love my job, but that comes second to my desire to be a very involved parent to my daughter. It’s a beautiful teaching for me, and there is something new for me to learn every day because a kid’s perspective is the most glorious perspective of all—it’s wide-eyed, and everything is kind of brand new.” Has being a devoted father made him more mindful of the kind of roles he wants to take in the future? “I’m mindful that there’s not a lot of things my daughter’s been able to see,” he says, laughing, “I’m really excited to see the Disney+ thing because it’s a show I will really be able to watch with my whole family, and that’s kind of cool. I usually don’t watch anything I do, but this one I’m going to sit down and watch, and it’s going to be a lot of fun. Ultimately, I will not say I’m going to pass on something because it’s like, you know, you’re going to play a murderer, but there is a palette for what I want to do as an artist in general.”

It’s a broad palette, rich in multiple perspectives, and what he modestly refers to as the Disney+ thing is, of course, the current Avengers spin-off Hawkeye, in which his character takes center stage—beaming the actor directly into the homes of gazillions of fans of the Marvel franchise. I ask whether the spike in fame that comes hand-in-hand with being an Avenger has ever been tricky to navigate? “Celebrity has always been kind of a struggle,” Renner admits. “I don’t think there are a lot of actors worth their salt out there that are trying to be famous—they’re just good at what they do. But with the Marvel franchise and all those films, my acceptance of it has been quite amazing, because it’s about the kids, right? I’ll do anything for kids, like stop in the middle of a meal and take a picture, and it’s not even a celebrity thing as much as like, I don’t know, being a cool older brother?”

Being a cool older brother is a role Renner is very much used to, being the oldest of seven siblings, but why does he think kids see Hawkeye that way? “I have a character that has no superpowers—he is only a superhero because he has a high skill set, and I love that. It inadvertently and passively teaches kids that anybody can be a superhero, and that it is all about having mental capacity and fortitude, and all these other things that I think are great to teach a kid.” Sure, but chances are that any selfies snapped with the star are going straight on TikTok, or the like, so what is his take on another more ubiquitous form of screen-time all-too-often shaping young minds? “I don’t think kids should be on social media—that’s my opinion. I think it’s a toxic environment for adults, and it’s certainly not suitable for children. I think it just complicates life more than it really needs to. The mental capacity and mental matureness of kids is just not there yet for them to be able to deal with sifting through what is real and what is not—there’s so much more value in one- on-one human communication.”

Defining what is real and what is not is perhaps the next great challenge for cinema audiences given the advances in deepfake tech, and I want to know what Renner thinks about the increasing ability to place an actor into a movie without them ever being on-set? “It’s kind of almost there,” he considers, “but I can’t imagine that ever becoming a thing. I don’t think I can just put a green screen in my home and like, do it from there— you can’t just all do it separately. It takes a village, or a small city, to be able to get any sort of film or television show done, and you have to be there in this beautiful kind of shared experience. There’s a communion that happens when you work on a movie set together. It’s why cinema won’t go away too, because, you know, it’s different watching something at home and going into a theatre—exponentially different because it’s a collective experience; the people and the energy are part of the process.”

Communion, collective energy, mental capacity, fortitude... all of these channels seem key to Renner’s craft as an actor, but are they also fundamental to his approach to life in general? “I try to live a very fluid life,” he says, when I ask him about the pillars of his personal philosophy; about whether he is fatalistic when it comes to the gift of life, “and I think that’s about accepting that the only control you have is your perspective. You only have control of what you do with that, and how you deal with the opportunities that come. I work diligently every day on having no ego or fear in my decision-making. I don’t want things to stop in my life because of fear, or my own limited perception or needs or desires. I try to always be open to ideas and remain curious. I love human behavior—how people operate, and why they operate; how they respond and emotionally react to things.”

I suggest that perhaps these are all things he came to be seduced by as a young man, while studying criminology, before taking a career swerve into acting via skin-pounding in various rock bands in Modesto. “Definitely,” he enthuses, “It’s a bit dark when you’re doing criminology, because you’re dealing with all this death and crime, and the dark side of human behavior, but studying those things informed me as an actor and a human being.”

As much as Renner’s oeuvre explores what it means to be a human being, it also could be said more explicitly to explore what it means to be a man, and often a certain kind of man at that. It’s interesting, then, to get his take on modern masculinity, which is so often now reduced to riding sidesaddle with ‘toxicity’ in certain circles. “I believe that I’m a pretty masculine dude,” he says, “but I think a lot of that comes from my sensitivity and my thoughtfulness. I can’t watch the news, for example, because I’m super sensitive to it. I know as a society we identify with certain behaviors as masculine or feminine, but it’s hard for me to put that stamp on what that is, you know? What is a masculine quality and what is more of a feminine quality? We can maybe agree that what is construed as a more feminine quality might be sensitivity and emotion, or whatever, but I don’t look at it that way, because I’m one of the most sensitive people that I know, and I’m also one of the most masculine men that I know.”

It’s a salient point that the nuanced sensitivities of masculinity are all too often sidelined in the age of culture wars, and I ask him if he feels it is getting harder for men to genuinely express themselves without fear of censure—if it’s not just all getting a bit too serious for its own good? “I don’t know. I think a lot of people are walking on eggshells and things like that right now, and probably often for good reason. I’m sure I do as well. I’m kind of witty, but I find myself being more careful, conscientious, or thoughtful about saying anything that someone might get hurt feelings about. It’s a tough time to be a comedian, I’m sure,” he laughs. “There’s divisiveness at the moment, and I’m not as forthright as I might have once been with my humor in public settings, or on a talk show, because you can get crucified, no joke. I do sometimes wonder where our sense of humor has gone—just because there are serious topics and things that need to be changed socially and in the country doesn’t mean you have to lose your sense of humor. It’s not all about going into fight mode—let’s not lose our sense of humanity.”

So, what does the actor think might be the cure to the societal malaise of something like cancel culture, I ask, as we wrap up what has been an enlightening discussion. “I think the seeds of love are really about being witnessed and being understood—at least from adults to adults. I can guarantee you that if you name anybody you love, then you feel witnessed and understood by them, and sometimes we can express love with humor—anything to get a good laugh and not take life too seriously, know what I mean?”

Indeed. And what would Renner consider to be the greatest gift of life? “Laughter has been the greatest gift I’ve ever received, and I’ve ever given; even more so than love.” And he concludes with a wry smile, “The greatest gift is laughter; that’s the fountain of youth, brother.”

Article taken from Flaunt Magazine

Jeremy Renner Surprises Reno's Homeless, Helps Thanksgiving Volunteers (Reno Gazette Journal)

It doesn't take a superhero to help the homeless, but it's sure nice when one shows up. 

On Thanksgiving Day, several hundred volunteers worked to bring 1,600 meals to Reno's homeless population for the fifth annual Harvest of Hope event. 

One of the volunteers was Jeremy Renner, known on the silver screen as Marvel Comics superhero Hawkeye. 

"He could have been anywhere on Thanksgiving, and he was on the streets of Reno giving back," said Chase McKenna, founder of Harvest of Hope. "He was just a father with his daughter." 

Photo by Chase McKenna

Renner for more than three hours delivered warm clothing and blankets as well as gourmet meals of turkey, stuffing and green beans on the streets of Reno, near the Truckee River and at Fourth Street motels. The meals were cooked and prepared by local chef and restaurateur Mark Estee, staff from his restaurant Liberty Food and Wine Exchange and other volunteers, McKenna said. 

"The homeless people ate better than I've ever eaten on Thanksgiving," McKenna said. 

Renner, who has owned a home in Washoe County for the past four years, occasionally appears in Reno to enjoy the city that has so readily welcomed him, and also to support local causes. The Washoe County Sheriff's Office last year dubbed him a special deputy sheriff due to his support of local law enforcement. 

"He does a lot of stuff behind the scenes that nobody sees," said Tim Doss, who is friends with Renner and volunteered to assist Harvest of Hope.

Doss is starting the Reno Hope Bus, a bus that will directly deliver goods to homeless people. 

Photo by Tim Doss

Renner heard that Doss was helping in the Thanksgiving Day effort and asked to join with his daughter, Ava, and other family and friends. On Thursday morning, Renner brought two boxes full of blankets and delivered them, as well as other goods, to people at area motels and homeless camps.

 

Photo by Tim Doss

"The homeless were freaking out. He was out there hugging people, taking pictures with people. He was worried his daughter might become bored, but she looked at him and said, 'This is really fun.' He's a great dad," said Doss. 

Renner's daughter helped hand out mittens and blankets as well. 

Renner tried not to steal the focus of the day, McKenna said, though inevitably many of the volunteers and those receiving donations wanted to steal a photo with the "Avengers" star.

One volunteer, Kevin Wilfon, said he was giving high fives to children who were helping prepare meals at Liberty Food and Wine Exchange. 

"I didn't recognize him at all at first," said Wilfon, who owns a comic-themed coffee shop, Coffee n' Comics. 

Overall the day was a great success, said McKenna, who started Harvest of Hope out of her own kitchen five years ago by preparing a homecooked meal for 53 homeless people.

This year, the team of volunteers delivered 1,600 meals, thousands of articles of clothing and blankets and Kindness Kits, which included basic hygiene items, bottles of water and positive, handwritten notes. 

"We don't want anyone to feel left out," said McKenna, who requires volunteers not just to hand items to recipients, but also to ask their names. "It gets my volunteers to think about homeless in a different way so that we don't have a line, and it's not like, "Next, next, next.

"My volunteers come back with all these stories. Many of these people have gone a long time without hearing their name, or saying their name."

She invited Renner to also participate in her next event, the Christmas Village and Toy Drive outside on the steps of the Lear Theater, 528 W. First St. from Dec. 13-15. Renner seemed very interested, according to McKenna. 

"I really just see him as another person," said McKenna.

Source: Jenny Kane at the Reno Gazette Journal

August 14, 2019 -- Jeremy Renner Launches Amazon Collaboration for the Outdoorsman -- and Yes, There's a Bow (People.com)

The actor curated a collection of sporting, camping and outdoor equipment he uses at his Lake Tahoe mountain lodge

Jeremy Renner’s new Amazon collaboration might have the cure for your Avengers: Engame withdrawal.

The 90-piece curated collection features an assortment of sporting, camping, and outdoor equipment, including everyday necessities, like Neosporin and a lantern, and fun splurges, like an archery target and a compound bow set — similar to the weapon Renner’s beloved Marvel character, Hawkeye, prefers.

“The only law in nature is Mother Nature herself so you want to be prepared,” the actor and outdoorsman, 48, tells PEOPLE of his collection (available today on amazon.com). “But there are also things that are just fun to have when you’re outside…things that you want.”

For Renner, who owns a peaked mountain lodge on Lake Tahoe, “these items are all part of life out there,” he says.

His cabin also provides the perfect escape from the hectic schedule of Hollywood, where the star says there’s often a constant stream of “people coming at me.”

“There’s an openness and serenity at Lake Tahoe,” Renner explains. “You kind of circle back to what you want and what you are when you’re there. Me walking into a movie theater in any city to go see Endgame wouldn’t be that type of environment.”

The breathtaking views surrounding Renner’s home — which he often shows off on Instagram — help him clear his head and feel centered.

“It’s the most majestic, beautiful, serene vistas and you’re about 8,000 feet up in elevation,” he says. “It’s nothing but nature and trees. You’re surrounded by some of the oldest living things on the planet. I love it.”

In July, the multi-talented entertainer launched a campaign with Jeep — and revealed that he didn’t always dream of being on film sets.

“My family was my first love, and then music,” he told PEOPLE exclusively at the unveiling of the campaign, which features several tracks sung by Renner. “Acting came into my brain around 20. Music has always been my first love as far as something other than my family.”

Renner certainly isn’t giving up acting any time soon, but the Oscar nominee says he’s finally comfortable releasing his musical work.

As for rumors he’s going to be dropping a full album someday soon?

“There’s a bunch of music written. That’s all I know,” he demurs. “There’s a bunch of music written, and that’s a future thing. I’m happy to share music now, which I wasn’t before.”

Source: Hanna Flanagan at People.com.  All photos by Joe Russo.

July 9, 2019 -- Watch Jeremy Renner Perform as the Face and Voice of Summer of Jeep Ads: Exclusive (Billboard.com)

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Past Summer of Jeep artists include OneRepublic, X Ambassadors & will.i.am.

Jeremy Renner is best known for his Oscar-nominated appearances in The Hurt Locker and The Town and as the star of The Avengers, Bourne and Mission Impossible franchises, but his next leading role is on the small screen.

Renner -- and his music -- are the stars of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ Summer of Jeep campaign, bowing Wednesday on television and online and premiering exclusively below. Renner joins past Summer of Jeep artists including OneRepublic, X Ambassadors and will.i.am.

A trio of Renner’s songs air in four Jeff Tomsic-directed commercials touting Jeep’s Grand Cherokee, Compass, Wrangler and Cherokee models. Renner appears in each ad, as well as performs.

While he's not stepping away from acting, Renner, who has played drums since high school and has also taught himself piano and guitar, is eager to spread his musical passion.

“Music is a wonderful personal form of expression to me, [initially] never to be shared,” Renner says, sitting on the patio of his Hollywood Hills home, nicknamed The Nest in a nod to his Avengers character Hawkeye. “It’s just something that I can sit at the piano and accompany myself and it's immediate. I don’t need a camera, I don’t need a script.”

Renner recorded a cover of The Animals’ “The House of the Rising Sun” a few years ago -- now up on Spotify, along with “Heaven (Don’t Have a Name)” with Sam Feldt -- and that led to his creating more of his own music and ultimately aligning with FCA. “They promote the heck out of their Jeeps,” he says. “Ultimately, there’s not a better platform in my mind.” Last year’s Summer of Jeep advertising campaign had a $25 million budget and this year’s is expected to match that.

His Jeep affiliation developed organically. Earlier this year, Renner provided the voice-over -- and very briefly appeared -- in a 90-second commercial for FCA’s Ram Trucks. Though they did not meet during the making of that ad, a few months later, Renner and FCA chief marketing officer Olivier Francois were introduced by a mutual friend.

“I was [in Los Angeles] because I was looking for what would be the anthem of the most important campaign of the year,” says Francois, who went to Renner’s home. “Jeep is maybe the most important brand we have, at least in the U.S., and our Summer of Jeep campaign is one where we tie together the spirit of freedom and adventure and Americana -- all the values of the Jeep brand -- with the feel of summer and with music.”

Unlike many of his competitors, Francois prefers to use previously unreleased music. He told Renner of his search, revealing he was seeking something anthemic -- “like Imagine Dragons meets Queen” -- when Renner asked to play Francois some of his own music.

“That can be a very embarrassing experience,” Francois admits, adding he has had to turn down music from top artists because it wasn’t the right fit. “So honestly, I was kind of reluctant to go in the studio with Jeremy because of that, and even worse, what if I fall asleep because I was so tired and jet-lagged” from flying in from Italy?

However, Renner’s rock music “blew me away,” Francois says, especially “Nomad.” “The sound was exactly what I was looking for. It’s authentic, it's American, it's rock 'n' roll, it's powerful.” Francois goes so far as to say that initially he was more interested in Renner’s music than Renner’s likeness in the ads, but then realized the potency of having both.

The commercials mark not only the first time an actor has performed his own music in an FCA campaign, they are also the first time one artist has had three songs used as part of a campaign.

“If you put all these media dollars on just one song, we are just going to saturate the space. People are going to be tired of it,” Francois says. "So the idea [is to] spread this media power over three or four songs -- the theme is the same, the brand is the same, the association is the same, but the storytelling is different, the music is going to be different.”

For example, in the Grand Cherokee spot, a disenchanted, tux-clad Renner leaves a swanky party to escape for some off-roading before pulling up to a packed roadhouse and performing. In the Wrangler commercial, he and his band trade in their tour bus for Jeeps as they head to a gig.

Just as Ram had, the Jeep brand resonated with Renner. “It’s not a minivan. That’s not going to work with this face,” he says with a laugh. “It’s known for being rugged.”

The commercials come as Renner, 48, segues into a different phase in his life. Renner felt driven to find a way to spend more time with his 6-year-old daughter, Ava, of whom he shares joint custody with his ex-wife. “I’ve done one movie in 30 years in town, and now that I have a baby, I can’t go to Botswana for nine months,” he says, as Ava brings him a slice of cake she made for Father’s Day.

Those who have followed Renner’s career know the music move isn’t as left-field as it may seem. Renner sang Crash Test Dummies’ “Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm” over Tag’s end credits“American Pie” in Love Comes to the Executioner and “Good Ol’ Rebel Soldier” in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. A website is devoted to his various music moments, including performing on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, The View and at the Life is Beautiful Music & Art Festival in Las Vegas. He also appeared in P!nk's "Trouble" video in 2010. 

As Francois notes, he was looking for “Imagine Dragons meets Queen,” and Renner’s foot-stomping “Main Attraction” fit that bill, while the jazzy “Sign” has more of an Amy Winehouse feel. “There’s only been two artists probably in the last 20 years that had any value to me: Amy being one of them and Adele being the other,” Renner says. “I like that type of music. It can lean into rock, it can lean into soul, but obviously it comes from a jazz background.” 

Tying in with the launch of the commercials, the three songs, co-written and produced by Eric Zayne, will be available via all major digital service providers starting Wednesday.

Additionally,  Renner has linked with iHeartRadio by curating a summer playlist, posted July 1, that includes a number of his songs. iHeartRadio has invited Renner to perform at the iHeartRadio Music Festival in Las Vegas in September, according to Renner’s publicist, but he has not made any commitment to play live yet. Renner’s partner in his Record Street Music is MTV co-founder Les Garland.

Several of Renner’s songs, including “Nomad” and “Sign,” appear on the soundtrack for Arctic Dogs, an animated film coming this November in which Renner voices an arctic fox, alongside James Franco, Alec Baldwin and Anjelica Huston.

While Renner contemplates releasing an album and says he’d love for his songwriting to lead to more opportunities, he’s playing what comes next by ear. Referencing Hawkeye, he jokes, “It’s not like, ‘Hey, I dropped my bow and arrow. Here's my microphone. Check me out. Now I'm like Elvis!’ It's not about that,” he says. However, he admits he’s looking forward to seeing where this new chapter could lead. “This is a face that really gives zero fucks about most things in life, to be honest with you, but I’m excited. I’m nervous in the sense that there are some unknowns, but ultimately I don’t have any expectations.”

Source: Melinda Newman at Billboard.com